Racing series says ethanol is safe for marine engines

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The Renewable Fuels Association and the National Boat Racing Association announced that hydroplane and runabout racing boats will compete in 2011 NBRA series event races with E10 fuel, which contains 10 percent ethanol.

“We are thrilled to partner with NBRA to dispel any notion that ethanol is an unfit fuel for marine engines,” said Robert White, the Renewable Fuels Association‘s director of market development, in a statement. “The use of E10 in these racing boats proves that this fuel is as effective during your weekly commute in your automobile as it is on your weekend boating trips.”

Fan packs of ethanol information will be given to the first 200 attendees at each event. The renewable fuels group’s “Fueled With Pride” logo will be displayed on uniforms, course buoys and flags, T-shirts sold at the races by the racing association, trophies presented at national events, near refueling areas of all boats and on signs throughout the viewing area.

Through the Ethanol Driver Contingency Program, cash awards will be given to those who promote their use of E10.

“American boaters have been utilizing ethanol-blended fuel safely and effectively for years,” racing association spokesman Vernon Barfield said in a statement. “Ethanol-blended fuel provides the high-performance engines in this series with the horsepower and performance they need to win. We are excited to show that our racing boats are able to perform to their best capability using E10 fuel, shaking the myths that ethanol harms marine engines.”

Many groups in the recreational marine industry, including the National Marine Manufacturers Association, have said studies show ethanol can be damaging to marine engines. These groups are currently fighting the Environmental Protection Agency’s recent approval of fuel with 15 percent ethanol for cars in model years 2001 or newer.

The EPA did not approve E15 for boat engines, but industry groups say the distinction could be confusing for consumers.

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20 comments on “Racing series says ethanol is safe for marine engines

  1. dave

    Sorry RFA and NBRA,
    showing that ethanol fuel works to it’s capacity in two stroke race prepared engines is just marketing spin or wishful thinking.
    The science shows that in existing installations of 4 stroke internal combustion engines – whether in a boat, car, truck, snowmobile, motorcycle or home equipment – ethanol is a poor fuel choice at 10%, even more damaging at 15%.  Then there is the corrosive damage to tanks, lines, carbs, etc.
    Someone has been snookered or drank the koolaid completely on this one.  Just check corn prices to ice this cake.
    I don’t believe a word of this press release, and neither should you.  Shame on Soundings for passing along this untrue piece – without a disclaimer for the boating industry you claim to represent.

  2. Gordon

    We have the continued efferts of BIG Government to stuff all they can up the
    pervebial shute of the public. I wonder how the clock times will be compared to non-blend fuel. Don’t tell me the same. I’ve found a 2 mpg less in my car.
    God Save the US of A.

  3. mclg

    Thanks for writing what I was just thinking, I am surprised to see this published like this here as well, Ethanol causes premature damage to older type O’rings and seals and should not be endorced this way. Why are they forgetting that?

  4. Boat Fool

    This is a prime example of sponsorship $$$. The new American way ” Pay me and I’ll say anything you want me to.”

  5. vissionquest

    So all the issues that we have had at our marina and all the invoices that we have sent out is just a myth? There is no doubt you could make an engine run on vodka, but that is not to say the engines that people own or the ones being produced can run on vodka. There is a large difference between reality and the corn loby.

  6. BS Detective

    If I disassembled my race engines and did full service on them in between each race and changed spark plugs between each run I wouldn’t care about running E10 either.
    Thats like saying drag racing for cars and NASCAR are going to run ethanol fuel.
    Now if a New York taxi cab service was to make this press release I would be more interested.
    I rate this as a 9 out of 10 on my BIG B…S… Detector!!!

  7. PHI Lmtd

    Another marketing ploy. Just take into consideration who released the PR and who stands to gain from the excercise.
    Consider the budgets for the “Racing” teams compared to the majority of us boaters. They have sponsors who foot the bills for blown engines and such. Who is going to foot our bills when we experience the problems that E10 or E15 is going to bring to the marine pump.
     
    What a slippery slope we tread……..

  8. LARRY

    WE HAVE MISSED THE BOAT LITERALLY, WE WILL BE PAYING BOTH; HIGHER PRICES AT THE PUMP, AND HIGHER FOOD PRICES. ETHANOL IS NOT THE ANSWER, ALTHOUGH IF YOU ASK THE FARMING CORPORATIONS WHO ARE BENEFITING THE MOST FROM THIS PRACTICE, AND WHO LOBBIED BIG TIME IN DC, PAYING OUR POLITICIANS……THEY’LL TELL YOU IS THE BEST THING SINCE THE WHEEL & SLICED BREAD!! TOTAL BS. WE SHOULD NOT FALL NOR STAND FOR IT ANY LONGER.
    ALTERNATE FUELS, HYBRIDS, AND HIGH EFFICCIENT ELECTRIC PROPULSION IS A BETTER CHOICE, REDUCING BOTH;  CARBON PRINT AND DEPENDENCE ON OIL. THERE IS ALSO NO REASON WITH THE MASSIVE OIL DEPOSITS WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN OUR OWN SOIL, TO BE PAYING THE ARABS, OUR BIGGEST AND MOST DANGEROUS ENEMIES, TO FINANCE WAR AGAINST WHAT FREE MEN STAND FOR
    THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IN AMERICA TODAY IS WE ARE TURNING INTO CATTLE, WAY TOO MUCH BULL…………

  9. Jack Spear

    The NBRA is a splinter group from the old AOF. They are not recognized by the UIM the International boat racing authority.
    This is a non issue. Many of their boats have been running methanol for years in the Alky classes.
    The problem isn’t in race engines that are drained after each days use, fogged, and kept in enclosed trailers. The problem is in pleasure boats.
    This “news release” is a non issue. It has no relevancy to anything in the pleasure or work boat arena. It is simply a sponsorship deal with the racing organization.

  10. Chuck Guthrie

    I agree with dave. This should have never been run ..
    or at least qualify it with the issue of %15.
    It is just the lobby arm of corn growers wanted to dispel
    The problem with15%
     
     
     

  11. Bob Bernard

    Those NBRA guys must be drinking a load of the stuff and getting their FOOD FREE.  As stated above – those racing motors are NEVER subject to sitting for a period of time – fuels are drained and motors are taken apart. OR, they will  probably be taking themselves apart. NBRA should wake up and smell PURE 100% GAS !!!

  12. JoeFactor

    After looking at the NBRA web page I can understand how they can endorse E 10 blended fuel . A picture of a small race boat had a Tahatsu outboard engine .Those small Japanese engines might be capable of running on rice wine .

  13. murphinator

    wow a lot of negative stuff about ethanol in here. I used to feel the same way. do yourselves a favor and search e85 on you tube and watch all the guys making more power on e85 than they can on c16 (116 octane gas)
    we have all been brainwashed by big oil & media because big oil has not found a way to pump ethanol out of the ground so they must “sell against it “.
    dont just believe me a guy posting on an internet forum I could also be full of it but please keep your minds open and you may find that ethanol has a lot more upside than we have all been conditioned to believe….
    when you hear the food vs fuel debate pay attention to the fact that nobody ever mentions the waste byproduct called distillers grains which are more valuable than the corn was to begin with since livestock can digest it since it has allready been broken down by the fermentation process – dont believe me on this check before you flush the day after you eat corn next time lol
    the first flex fuel vehicle was the model t do an internet search with keywords Henry Ford ,Ethanol , Rockerfeller and you will see why we run gasoline instead of ethanol which we used to run cars on until Rockerfeller bankrolled the washinton wives temperance movement which resulted in prohibition making alcohol production illegal making his gasoline product the only game in town – follow the money.
    I work in the marine industry and went through the issues first hand when ethanol got added at 10% levels. We had no issues with newer boats but chased older boats around some… gasoline leaves a varnish on everthing it contacts over time , alcohol is a solvent , add a solvent to varninsh and you have plugged fuel filters , plugged injector screens etc… that needed to be dealt with including on my own 1996 that I had to pull the tank out and drain twice – after that it runs great on e10 now that all the residue is gone. I understand blaming this on ethanol as it wasnt a problem until it got added to the fuel , I will concede to that but realize the ethanol was removing the residue left by gasoline
    as far as which is the superior fuel for making power ( we are talking about race boats here) its ethanol hands down , instead of putting ethanol in a flex fuel vehicle developed to run initially on pump gasoline and seeing a loss in economy one must realize that ethanol can tolerate as well as benefit from much higher compression ratios or higher boost levels in forced induction applications – show me a gasoline based product that can run in a 19 to 1 compression engine like e98 can.
    check on http://www.turbobuck.com in the e85 section or modular mustangs and fast fords in their e85 section or any performance platform for that matter evo wrx , etc… you will see all the top pump gas builds now run e85
    it takes more than a gallon of gas to make a gallon of e85 , come on common sense here we would be having to import a lot more gas to make ethanol – it would be all over the news ( not that you should believe that) this is simple fermentation not rocket science , I know a guy that runs his car on fermented cat tail roots that he makes at home 900hp gto corn is not the best source to make it the fact we use corn is purely political that I agree with
    so it is more efficient to send diesel powered ships to the middle east , fill them with a product that still needs to be refined , power them with fuel back to the US again so you can start refining. and dont forget the other ships you need to send to the middle east with all the troops to protect our oil interests , oh and they will need planes , humvees , excavating equipment jeeps ,etc… that all run on oil  take a look at the countries we choose to help they all have strategic oil interests
    I expect people to bash this but I am just trying to get what I believe are facts in this thread so maybe someone else can start seeing the light like I did

  14. peter

    Read the report put out by NASCAR on ethanol…what a problem it was to convert the engine set-up for the new fuel…they even had to limit how much outside air got into the fuel tank for fear of contamination….let along sitting for two months in a boat tank.

  15. dave

    murph
    you need to learn the difference between methanol and ethanol and the other “nol” fuels.  Currenty all cost at least 1.5 gallons (or more, plus a source of sugar) of oil based fuel to produce and without the substantial subsidies, NO ONE WOULD BE MAKING ethanol from corn.
    Methanol has been used in drag racing and other purpose (read custom and expensive) built engines, but you forgot one small fact…it takes 1.5 to 2.5 times as MUCH “nol” than it does gasoline for the same energy…so your youtube research neglects the drop in mpg, reliability and durability – UNLESS some major additives, computer remapping, or design has been done.  Again the engines/cars you point to are in almost all cases reworked/rejetted/remapped or re-carbed to use ethanol or methanol.  I know for a fact that methanol/ethanol require completely different fuel systems than gasoline in drag/race cars.
    “Nol” does run cooler, so yes you can get away in some cases with higher EGR temps, and higher compression ratios….but anyone who knows engines – also knows that all comes at a price.  Again a lot of expensive custom work to do that.
    If you have done as well in boats using E10 then you should be a rich man, as here on the Chesapeake it is driving people away from boating and eating up tanks, fuel systems, etc…in spite of some of the best minds around – all at $90 per hour plus parts.  As ethanol homogenizes with water…it is a very poor thing to have on a boat, period.
    The science just does not support your posting.

  16. nomadness

    all of the negative reasons stated compell me to keep going out of my way and spending more, to buy pure gas for my outboard and lawn equipment

  17. RocknRacer

    living close to a  mid west river and visiting a local marina often  the owner  had these complaints from his loyal clientele  ” i am losing top end speed! , why is my fuel pump diaphragm bad ? it is not running  near as good as it was last year , something is wrong with the engine  why is it not performing like it did last year ??”
    this is only a few of the complaints the marina owner had after  long and  arduous search he finally defined the problem down to the fuel the people were using and it came down to fuel with 10% ethanol eating fuel pump, and engine internals as well as  gathering water from the air causing more damage
    the 2 stroke  engine was not made to run on ethanol and what the  NBRAis using are all older 2 cycle engines the  price will be to high  a cost speed wise and  mechanical wise  and will only promote high priced engines in the NBRA
    to help  the locals combat the fuel problem a local gas station started stocking  true unleaded fuel with out any ethanol the locals are now  happy and running broblem free 2 cycle engines once again
    say no to  this  until they develop a 2 stroke that will be compatible  with the 10% ethanol

  18. Todd

    Now that’s lobbying / marketing on a grand scale.  The recreational boating industry can only hope to have such deep pockets.  E10 continues to reek havoc with the average recreational marine engine. 

  19. joel

    yes our engines will run on e-10 fuel   although  the fuel lines,gaskets,rubber parts all degrade due to the ethanol.  The renewable fuel association is going to tell hundreds of people that e-10 gas is ok..
    .I dont think they will mention a word about letting a boat sit for 3-4 months with 1/2 a tank of e-10  and then the boat owner is faced with a 500- 1000$ repair bill to pump the phase seperation  mix of E-10 out of the tank - change the vst filter that is scummed over, all the boat filters and many times a tow in from being stranded on their first trip out in a few months.
    these people then get disgusted with boating and leave our wonderful form of recreation.  I see e-10 problems at my shop every week and we pull the boat filter and pour it in a pickle jar before we unhook the boat from the customers truck.
    Its either there and very obvious or its not there at all
    The extra cost of non ethanol  REC-90 is worth the price. the boating associations should have more articles about R-90 . once we clear the E-10 curse from a customers boat we put back in R-90  I drive to the marina and show the customer the receipt, we warn them verbally, we write on the work order, and have them sign off on .
    This repair included  xx gallons of non ethanol  REC-90  .I have been informed that this repair to my outboard was a direct result of using E-10 fuel
    I understand and agree that there is no guarantee on fuel contamination if I put any E-10 in my boats gas tank,
    Anyone going to the races should bring in copies of repair bills showing the added cost to he boating lifestyle that e-10 causes
    we have at least 8 samples of e-10 contaminated fuel sitting on the parts counter to convince  our fellow boaters of the  E-10 problem
     
    joel
     
     

  20. Flip

    Yeah sure, just like Global Warming is real. Just like the Federal Reserve is federal or has reserves. Just like Fractional Reserve banking aka printing DEBT is good. Just like the derivatives are good for our economy. Just like how Depleted Uranium is not bad for our troops to handle. Just like the air at Ground Zero on 9-11 was safe to breath and Radiation is good. Just like Katrina will not breach the levies. Just like the Patriot Act and the M.I.A.C. Report are to fight bearded cave dwellers and not freedom loving gun owning constitutionalists. Just like how there is no 2 party dictatorship with the dempublicans and republicrats running everything as they fight over BS issues. Just like we are NOT in a Depression right now and unemployment is hovering around 9%. ( more like 22%…shadowstats)
    WAKE UP YOU DAMN FOOLS!
    ETHANOL TAKES MORE ENERGY TO CREATE THEN IT’S WORTH AND YES IT DAMAGES OUTBOARDS AND OTHER CRITICAL HOSES AND LINES!
    We are the ones out in it, seeing this lie for what it’s worth! Another poor pitch by big Ag and the bankers to drive up food and drive down fuel economy. Where is your line in the sand huh?
    FOOL YOU TWICE SHAME ON YOU!
    We have been fed lies over and over again and yet some people still choose to trust this corrupt system. You people better wake up and realize the ones feeding this BS to you are the ones profiting from it. The same goes for the main stream media, it is all bought and payed for by big banks and global corporations to keep you scared and spending. The debt is by design, they have done this to hundreds of other countries in the past. In-debt the people with fake worthless “bank notes” then force them into a “free”-grazing cattle Marxist police state. The time is now folks, the writing is all over the damn walls, and stupid 1984(George Orwell) style bullshiv like this is the same as, War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery and Ignorance is Strength. Wake UP!
    Turn off you TV’S! Fix what you have broken and handed down to your kids. Because this is NOT America anymore!
    “Those who give up liberty for security deserve NEITHER”! B Franklin
    And YES this does belong here! The choir no longer needs to be preached to, it is the lost souls in the boating industry!
    Ethonal good. HAH HA HA HAh ! Good one.
    And Al Queada means “The Database” in Arabic and they aren’t and never have been a global boogieman front by the CIA.
    Infowars.com
    PrisonPlanet.tv

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