To all those who cannot afford to consult an attorney, here is all that is needed to protect yourself in the Genmar bankruptcy, i.e. warranty, future warranty, defects, fraud, etc.

owners, previous owners, any persons that attempted to purchase the following products:

RANGER, CHAMPION, HYDRA-SPORT, STRATOS, CARVER, FOUR WINNS, WELLCRAFT, WINDSOR, MARQUIS, GLASTRON, LARSON, TRIMUPH, FOUR WINNS,

 

 

HOW TO FILE AGAINST GENMAR CORPORATTION OR ANY OF ITS SUB COMPAINES BANKRUPTCY’S

TO ALL PERSONS WHO HAVE BEEN CHEATED, LIED TOO OR STOLEN FROM BY GENMAR/RANGER BOATS OR ANY OF GENMARS COMPANIES UNDER BANKRUPTCY. THIS INCLUDES ANY INDIVIDUAL, CUSTOMER, GENMAR DEALER ARE REPERSENATIVE, THAT FEELS CHEATED ARE DEFRAUDED BY ANY MEANS, INCLUDING ALL CRIMINAL OR CIVIL MATTERS, ALL PURCHASES, DEALER CONTRACTS, WARRANTY ISSUES, REPAIR ISSUES, ETC. PLEASE BE SURE TO FOLLOW THRU WITH THESE. EACH ONE TAKES LESS THAN 3-4 MINUTES TO FILL OUT. ITS TIME ALL THE CUSTOMERS CONTROLED THE OUTCOME. THANKS.

 

Below are the links for forms that can be used to file a claim against Genmar, Ranger, and any other Genmar companies.

http://www.uscourts.gov/bkforms/bankruptcy_forms.html

 

If you are owed money from any Genmar company for ANY REASON, you may file a claim in the Genmar Bankruptcy, or the Bankruptcy of that particular company. ( case numbers below)

http://www.uscourts.gov/rules/BK_Forms_Pending_2008/B_010_1208v4.pdf

 

If you have a cause that is not specific money related, and involves any corrupt or unscrupulous action or actions by a Genmar Company, Rep, Dealer, on a sale , warranty, etc, you can file a adversary proceeding, which starts a separate action from the bankruptcy case in the same court.

INSTRUCTIONS

http://www.uscourts.gov/rules/BK_Forms_09_Official/Form_16D_Caption_Adversary_Proc_INSTRUCTIONS_0509.pdf

 

FORM

 

http://www.uscourts.gov/bkforms/official/b16d.pdf

 

 

 

ALL CLAIMS FORMAS AND ADVERSARY PROCEEDING FORMS MUST BE MAILED TO THE BANKRUPTCY COURT CLERK BY 11/18/2009

 

 

 

Mail completed forms to:

 

Bankruptcy clerks office

301 U.S. Courthouse

300 South Fourth Street

Minneapolis MN 55415

 

 

U.S. Trustee

Sarah J Wencil

300 South Fourth Street

Suite 1015

Minneapolis, Mn 55415

 

Debtor Attorney

James Baillie

200 South Sixth Street

Suite 4000

Minneapolis MN 55415

 

Companies and associated case numbers::

 

Genmar Holdings,09-43537 // Carver Industries 09-43538 // Carver Italia 09-33773 // Carver Yachts 09-33774 // Genmar Florida 09-43539 // Genmar Industries 09-43540 // Genmar IP 09-43541 // Genmar Manufacturing Kansas 09-43542 // Genmar Michigan 09-43543 // Genmar Minnesota 09-33775 // Genmar Tennessee 09-43544 // Genmar Transportation 09-43545 // Genmar Yacht Group 09-43546 // Marine Media 09-43547 // Minstar 09-43548 // Trimuph Boats 09-43550 // VEC Leasing 09-43552 // VEC management 09-43553 // VEC Technology 09-43554 // Windsor Craft Yachts 09-43555 // Ranger Boats; Wood Manufacturing Company, Inc. 09-43556

 

 

Mr. Jacobs sure knows how to play the media!! I was a vendor for many years and knew how he played the game. Year after year of coming back to the vendors and asking for concessions, beating them down with competitors quotes, etc. I feel for all of the current vendors who have to deal with this in already trying times. Did not expect this bankruptcy but yet not surprised. It will unfortunately, make him even stronger!

I don't feel a bit sorry for this egotistical creep, but its too bad for all the employees and suppliers.  When I was a Lund dealer this guy did absolutely nothing to help me when business went sower; only went and gave the dealership to a competitor down the road, and then some more competitors when the succeeding dealers dropped of the map.

When I asked him about warranty isses at MRAA, he sternly put his hand on my shoulder in a dramatic way and said "Son, let me tell you..."  At 40 years old I did not appreciate his banter, reared back and asked him "Who the hell do you think you're talking to??"  End of conversation.

After being in bankruptcy and experiencing it first-hand, anything can happen in and out of the courtroom.  I hope he goes in there and puts on his cocky act.  No federal judge or trustee could care less about him.

If any dealer is contimplating bankruptcy, my advice is don't do it for many reasons. Work it out in another fashion as the lawers will deceive and drain you of your last dime

I am Happy for Mr. Jacobs. What goes around comes around. Unfortunately he will come out of it better. As another post said he will stick all his vendors with his debt and force them out of business. Vendors that he already put the screws to to be a vendor.

Maybe all the companies he bought solely to keep them at bay and to extinguish his competition are a factor. If he would of just left them to prosper and supported them to help expand their business he would have had a better bottomline. He srewed many loyal customers, dealers and employees over the past few years. I for one could only hope that he looses but he wont. All I know is that since I have left the Genmar family and the brand, the brand is nearly extinct. which was one of the only territories meeting or exceeding sales goals.

We could only hope he goes away, good riddens!

Bankruptcy is a terrible thing for any person or business. Now it seems everyone wants to pile on. Jacobs had an ego, so what, the problem we all should be looking at is how this effects the industry and it's future. Loss of confidence by the retail buying public will be one result that will effect the entire industry. We had all better hope that the wheels don't come completely off this because it will be devastating to one heck of a lot of hard working folks. I'm sure Jacobs and the executives will fair much better than the workers, dealers and their employees. There will be those in the wholesale side of the industry that are having a good laugh. I hope that when they stop laughing they will search their souls for ways to help their dealers make it through this and open their minds to fair and reasonable dealer agreements. As for me I'll say a prayer for every Genmar employee and dealer.

To All Concerned,

Please note that the email that was supposedly sent from Steve Wacker is a FRAUD. I have been a loyal dealer of Genmars for years and I have the utmost respect  for them and hold them in the highest regard.

We will do our best to find out who wrote this email message and hold them responsible for this.

Steve Wacker, Pres.

Thunder Marine

Irwin Jabobs plays the industry media very well - you would be a lapdog too if you were worried about Genmar advertising revenue.

I see some former dealers ain't buying into it, judging from the comments here. The big question is -- will the banks and creditors? Comments from Jacobs like "Unfortunately, I didn't have the necessary time to complete any of the alternative financing acceptable to the banks" just reek of (BS) to me."

I guess the white knights aren't returning his calls.

 

This is a very joyous day for my family and myself!  You see, we were a large Genmar dealership that hit some hard times financially and reached out to Irwin for help.  He, in turn, had me speak with Roger Cloutier.  I was forced to file for Chapter 11 protection and was told, by Cloutier, that it was OUR problem and they refused to help.  Soon after every vendor that we dealt with refused to sell us product, even COD!  We were unable to do warranty work or even rig sold boats without the needed products.  We were unable to do any repairs and were ultimately forced to file Chapter 7 and liquidate.  Genmar refused to pay us warranty monies owed and wouldn't send us our earned rebates.  I pray that this exact same thing happens to Genmar.  I hope that both Irwin and Roger feel the pain and shame of business failure!  Keep in mind, we were one of Genmar's largest dealership and they just shrugged us off.  For the very first time, today I believe in karma!  If Genmar showed the slightest bit of compassion, we'd probably still be in business.  They didn't, and now I wish them the same exact fate!

Mr. Jacobs obviously evokes strong emotional responses from a number of people.  From the looks so far, they are not positive.  It is my guess that most people are not disappointed in seeing Jacobs' high regard for his own opinions getting a few dents and scratches.

I suspect he will choreograph the bankruptcy in the manner he has always tried to run business - a mix of media appearances saying how wonderful things will be while being completely ruthless in making cuts and shedding costs and employees.

Some entity will likely emerge from bankruptcy and likely with Jacobs as the leader.  Mr. Jacobs projects so much confidence that he seemingly always is able gain a business following.  So while he enjoys so little personal adoration, don't plan on dancing on his company crypt just yet.

You only need to look at Fin Crafts dealer requirements in order to sign up.  One must order to truck loads of boats and have them delivered prior to Dec. 31.  Yes sir, take a new, unproven brand in poor economic times and load the dealer.  Just another reason Genmar and other companies who do business like this are now out of business or in serious trouble.  Too bad to many dealers had to fall by the wayside first because of the short sighted manufacturers.

CaptainKman

The day of reckoning has finally recognized Irwin Jacobs who we all know would turn his back on any dealer that he felt would become a problem. Loyalty is a word he does not understand.I hope for all the families he will affect that he becomes a little more humble and his failure is due to his inability to surround himself with the right staff and listen to them and stay remote from control

Genmar heading for bankruptcy, eh? Hmmm. Everyone pay attention here, because this is what always happens when a dealership or manufacturer gets too big. It literally tips over. Crystal-Pierz Marine was a classic example, as was Link Marine. They try to corner the market and then raise prices to cover all their investments. My feeling is that companies both small and large should concentrate on improving what they have and realize that the consumer is number one, dealer infrastructure is number two, shareholders and management are number three. To change that is to commit financial suicide. Don't believe me? Then look at AIG, GM and Chrysler. I think most, if not all business failures are rarely caused by the customers. I'm so darned glad to be out of the marine business. What used to be a wonderful industry is now a bewildering and unprofitable one and has prostituted itself by selling everything wholesale. There are some exceptions, like Cobalt boats, which keeps it's nose to the grindstone and works to make everyone happy and profitable. I'd welcome other opinions on this website. Thanks for listening.

Jacobs is a interesting fellow, though I would have never expected this. Brunswick is right behind this move.........

Irwin Jacobs comments are totally bogus.  That's the nicest thing I can say.  If I speak my mind and tell the truth, the post will never make it through.